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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  Brainless » Sat May 10, 2014 10:38 pm

I played blue arabia 2v2 with a friend yesterday. And don't worry, Barbie totally owned us in 2v2. There was nothing to do against it.

There is only one way we can defeat barbie on this map and this is by heavy laming:
( which is also tiny map + all visible + slow speed)
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  poZ_edie » Sat May 10, 2014 10:38 pm

11 "die" with french flag, edie
[20:00] [Frantic]SOBIGDIAO says:
U KING


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do u have facebook?
[14:21] poZ_Tammy says:
i dont play this game ..
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  Brainless » Sat May 10, 2014 10:39 pm

  10 May 2014, 21:38 GMT » Edie_ wrote:
11 "die" with french flag, edie


Weird, my friend is in no way french
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  TheMax » Sun May 11, 2014 12:29 pm

I doubt Barbarian is from USA either :)

Barbarian's dark age was nevertheless horrible on blue arabia, but I've fixed it in my local version. I'm also planning to add something against palisade rush.
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  Brainless » Mon May 12, 2014 2:47 am

  11 May 2014, 11:29 GMT » TheMax wrote:
I doubt Barbarian is from USA either :)

Barbarian's dark age was nevertheless horrible on blue arabia, but I've fixed it in my local version. I'm also planning to add something against palisade rush.


That would definitely make barbie something not to toy with anymore...

In the meantime: we managed to beat it in a water map, which used to be pretty hard.
Reveal: explored, speed:slow
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  Brainless » Mon May 12, 2014 3:23 am

Barbie doll is often critisised for her idealised slim body. It would give kids a wrong idea of how a woman should look.
The barbie we play with however, is far from slim. Its a real heavyweight, and when playing maps like this forest map her fat *** gets stuck between the trees. A great opportunity to give it a good beating!

A good oldfashioned full scale post imperial war.
map explored - slow speed - victory conquest

by the way, what does it mean when it says "MELTDOWN" ?
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  TheMax » Mon May 12, 2014 11:53 am

Oh, that's just some random chat after pop goes down in a long game.

Maps without enough space will always give AIs issues since they can't control whether the routes stay open or not.

I could give you a beta version soon with some issues fixed if you want.
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  Brainless » Mon May 12, 2014 3:51 pm

  12 May 2014, 10:53 GMT » TheMax wrote:
Oh, that's just some random chat after pop goes down in a long game.

Maps without enough space will always give AIs issues since they can't control whether the routes stay open or not.

I could give you a beta version soon with some issues fixed if you want.


Yes that would be great! pm me we will be glad to test it.

I know it is hard to make it work sometimes in that crude AI programming language. But it would be great if it could handle situations like this:

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- detecting blockage by itself
- deleting own buildings
- rerouting
- cutting forest with siege

However i have to say, its is nice that it has its limitations. If barbarian becomes flawless, then no one can beat it anymore. It will not be representative as a training dummy, there will be no strategy you can try. Off course, you can step down to hard mode, which we do sometimes. But the step between hardest and hard is pretty big.

Would it be possible to make a parameter we can set in game selection that limits the amount of commands / minute? This way you can make a seamless leveling in its performance, so a player can more accuratly fins his own level, and gradually scale it up. It also makes it more human-like i think. Because many game styles / strategies are useless because barbies microeing.

Its just too good in many situations. We love exploiting its bugs :)
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  CondoM » Mon May 12, 2014 4:09 pm

I love that screenshot lol.

Have you ever played TG's with it on Arena? I've seen a rec of some decent players, with a Barbarian playing as well. It was surprisingly strong.

If you want a good challenge a good way to improve your skills, that might be the way.
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Re: Brainless beating Barbie (hardest 1v1)

Postby  Brainless » Mon May 12, 2014 4:45 pm

  12 May 2014, 15:09 GMT » CondoM wrote:
I love that screenshot lol.

Have you ever played TG's with it on Arena? I've seen a rec of some decent players, with a Barbarian playing as well. It was surprisingly strong.

If you want a good challenge a good way to improve your skills, that might be the way.


Yes it is very good, if it is given room and (very little) time. Especially Arena is a map in which it is almost impossible to defeat it in hardest mode (challenge someone?). We have tried Team Arena, but its fast progressing, aggressive approach and army micro makes it almost impossible to deal with.

I play almost daily vs barbarian hardest. It makes you better, but specificly in that strategies that work vs Barbie. For example, a flush or fast castle is something you will always loose in hardest, so you will not improve on it. You can play hard setting, but that is a bit easy after you played a few games
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