Huns vs Mongols

[hunwhore101]

In a random map game under the following conditions which civ would have the advantage and why
Map: Arabia
1vs1
Resources : Normal
Reveal map normal
Victory Conquest
And assume that the game does not reach the imperial Age

[[EIF]BokiSergy]

I think Mongols have slightly more advantage in dark/early feudal, and after that, Huns are slightly stronger in late feudal and castle age.

[timtim]

The game does not reach imp because huns kills mongols before that..

[hunwhore101]

The game does not reach imp because huns kills mongols before that..

What i meant by that is that the mongols would have the edge in the imperial beacuse of their suberb seige and Elite Mangs then again he may not have enough gold to get all that

[[EIF]BokiSergy]

hehe, well, 9qwert's point was that Huns will anyway beat Mongols, so game wont pass into Imp age. Its because Hun's CA are very chip, and huns can mass much more CA than Mongols... But Mongols maybe have some chance if player make some epic good defense, good map and smart playing, get stone, castles... and has time to switch to mangudais, before hun can get IMP... In early IMP, again, things become complicate for Mongols, its because Mongol player would maybe have chance to get Elite mangudais, but not enough gold to make other upgrades, such is siege onagers... Elite mangudais are nice, but without support of other units, alone,they are easy to stop with mass of junk units... In the other hand, if Mongol player switch to junk units, huns also win because better eco.. Huns also have a one big advantage in "Guilds", they they gonna be able to continue making more gold with market.. Only possible scenario I see as chance for Mongol is siege oangers + skirmishers + scouts... ideally + Elite mangudai. But looks quite hard to me, that Mongol would have gold for all in same time. And once again Combo siege onagers/siege rams + Elite mang would be ideal, but I doubt there gonna be gold for all that. Maybe could work vs lower rate, but dunno if something like that would work vs 2k

If game not come to IMP, Mongol player maybe can do something with mass knts, and colect stone get castles, and then switch to flooding of mangs + light cav + skirmi+ rams... without aim to get IMP... maybe that would be a chance for Mongol.

[Carlos Ferdinand]

if map is good for defensive booming, mongols have their chances with elite mangudai + siege rams in imp after a massive boom, but usually you'll have to start with a strategy that puts some early pressure on hun, like 20 pop fwd for example

[radicalyeah]

if map is good for defensive booming, mongols have their chances with elite mangudai + siege rams in imp after a massive boom, but usually you'll have to start with a strategy that puts some early pressure on hun, like 20 pop fwd for example

+1
If you can get feudal at least 1 min before him and get a tower on his wood you might have a chance at winning early game. But 20 pop forward is putting it all on the line because your castle/imp time will be slow.

[Daniel]

the point is.... huns ca outnumber mongol elite magudai in the beginning of imp age, and u cant actually use cavs to defend against the cas because you dont have the last armor upgrade..
another concern is eco. u cant build so many army with castles, but if u do take so much stone you are losing in eco.

[hunwhore101]

the point is.... huns ca outnumber mongol elite magudai in the beginning of imp age, and u cant actually use cavs to defend against the cas because you dont have the last armor upgrade..
another concern is eco. u cant build so many army with castles, but if u do take so much stone you are losing in eco

You are Probally right Hun Ca will outnumber mogol ones and thankfully there under going a nerf in the new expansion although wouldn't siege onagers be a viable option for the mongol in imp casue of lag he could tons of Ca in a couple of hits
I think that the mongols are better than the huns in dark to feudal mainly casuse of thier los and hunting bonus but shouldn't thier super light Cav be a force to be rekon with in the Catle rading i mean

[radicalyeah]

I ran a test on the Hun Hussar vs the Mongol Hussar Post Imp, and the Mongol wins with 9 HP left out of 117. So they are just barely better than Hun, but you dont have to pay for the last armor upgrade or wait for it to get done. Still dealing with Hun CA's is still too much.